Episodes › Ep. 5 2024-04-29 · 48:54
The Tangent and Close Talkers
Episode 5 covers two Steve Martin-hosted shorts: 'Tangent' (written by Bill Hader, starring Fred Armisen, with a voice-note from Hader) and 'Close Talkers' (Will Forte and Steve Martin, originally 'Two Inches' from the Groundlings). The hosts also dig into the Surf Meeting sketch's failed live airing, Prince's presence at the show without appearing, a Prince listening party, and a Seth's Corner segment about a 2050 Brian Williams robot sketch. The memorable takeaway is Surf Meeting's painful live flop and the lingering regret Steve Martin is said to have about it.
Shorts discussed: Tangent, Two Inches / Close Talkers, State of the Galaxy, Surf Meeting, Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans, Samaritan
Guests: Steve Martin (Hosted the episode; the hosts discuss him at length as a…)
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0:081 YouTube comment timestamps this moment, 58 likes.
Hey, can we try something for the top? I'll say, hey, I'm Seth Meyers. And then let's go, Akiva, you introduce yourself, Jorma, then Andy. Let's just all say our names off the top. Instead of making us say hi. And then…
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Tangent: Fred Armisen's endless monologue
8:27Tangent is a Bill Hader-written short built on Fred Armisen's known ability to talk about anything forever. The piece follows a man who never stops talking, even as his career rises and falls.
this came from Bill Hader and it's based on the thing that Fred does where he can just talk about anything forever
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Bill Hader on writing Tangent
10:25In a voice note Akiva requested, Bill Hader explains Tangent came from Fred Armisen doing a bit where he goes off on tangents. Mike Shoemaker asked Hader why he did not write it for himself.
Mike Shoemaker came up to me and was like, why did you not write that for yourself?
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Fans point here
12:041 YouTube comment timestamps this moment, 3 likes.
I will say my favorite moment of rewatching him is the look Bill gives when he walks by Fred and recognizes it as a potential piece of talent. Like his agent face is delicious. Mine is also a Bill moment, but it's at…
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Forte cared most about Steve Martin
17:36The hosts agree no one on the SNL writing staff cared more about Steve Martin than Will Forte, which may explain his hyper-influence by Martin.
I think it's safe to say that no one on that SNL writing staff or cast cared more deeply about Steve Martin than Forte.
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Close Talkers began as Two Inches at the Groundlings
18:40Will Forte explains Close Talkers grew from a bit he did with Mike Schwartz, called Two Inches at the Groundlings. Schwartz generously let him take it to Steve Martin.
At the Groundlings, we called it Two Inches.
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Forte's shorter voice note
19:35Forte sent Akiva a four-minute voice message followed by a shorter version, a running joke about his verbosity in messages.
I got the four minute one. And then a minute later, he went, here's a shorter one if that one was too long.
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20:041 YouTube comment timestamps this moment, 10 likes.
It also is very forte that the time... Watching him struggle through trying not to say it. We're okay with you saying it. A lot of the time he wastes is praising other people. Oh, always. You know what I mean? Yeah. So…
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Steve Martin learned his lines
20:47Cards were available for Close Talkers but went unused; Steve Martin learned his dialogue. This reflects his reputation for preparation.
We did have cards and then didn't use them.
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Steve Martin and Martin Short's teasing
21:42Seth recounts Martin Short ripping on Steve Martin during dinner, a sign of their long-running friendship. The anecdote about an upside-down painting became part of the hosts' affection for them.
it's an apartment filled with the most beautiful art I've ever seen
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22:251 YouTube comment timestamps this moment, 58 likes.
They never float on their reputation or even their charm, but the amount of technical effort that goes into writing the best possible jokes. Mm-hmm. Support comes from Airbnb. As we've talked about, I just got back…
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24:273 YouTube comments timestamp this moment, 58 likes.
Man, we really tangented that. Tangented. Well, it's a perfect episode title, The Tangent. I also want to talk about the fact that this is a really special show and I think one that all of us had circled on the…
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Prince show without Prince
25:20The Prince-hosted episode featured a Prince-themed sketch even though Prince did not appear in the show. Prince's reps declined any participation.
we did a Prince show in a show with Prince and Prince wasn't in it.
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Prince asked not to hear sketches
26:23According to a story Seth relays, Amy Poehler was explaining the week's sketches to Prince, who said 'shh, don't ruin it.'
Prince just went, shh, don't ruin it.
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Prince's late-night listening party
29:01After the show, Prince held a small listening party at a club, with about 15 guests, where he watched the group listen to his album from a balcony.
It was like a listening party where we went to a club and we got to meet him and shake his hand
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Prince on the same first-class flight
30:23The Lonely Island flew first class to LA to meet Paramount about Hot Rod, and Prince boarded at the last moment on the same flight.
Prince and one of his like dancers or bodyguards just like float into those seats.
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Seth's Corner: State of the Galaxy
32:02Seth revisits State of the Galaxy, a sketch where he played a Brian Williams robot in 2050, with Will Forte as a descendant of George W. Bush.
I wrote a sketch that I went back and read that I had literally not one iota of memory about
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Surf Meeting: the classic one-person-fails format
35:51Andy describes Surf Meeting as a format the group used often: one person keeps failing to fit in, with the bit of repeatedly asking everyone if they are firm on their decision.
Surf Meeting was a classic format for us.
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Surf Meeting flops live
37:35The sketch played well at the table and during early blocking but lost momentum in rehearsal and aired poorly, which the hosts blame on blocking, editing, and cuts between dress and air.
Then we just started rehearsing it and for whatever reason, it started tailing off.
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Circling back and asking if they're firm
41:21The 'are you firm on that?' and circling-back structure is a recurring comedic device in the hosts' writing.
It's always about circling back.
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Bill Hader's view of Surf Meeting
42:55Bill Hader recalls the sketch only Andy, Jorma, and Akiva laughed at during the table read, and that Steve Martin sold the sketch and understood its humor.
My memory of surf meeting was that we did it at the table and Andy, Jorma, and Akiva were laughing really hard and no one else was.
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Steve Martin's lasting Surf Meeting regret
46:26The hosts say Steve Martin still has a bone to pick over Surf Meeting, a failure that stuck with him despite his many successes.
it is a failure that still sticks with Steve Martin.
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Jerry Seinfeld's really
48:00Seth recalls working with Jerry Seinfeld on a 'really' bit after Seinfeld offered to do something on the show; Seinfeld said he may have invented it.
And he said, some might say I even invented it.
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Andy's nightmare moment with Seinfeld
48:38Andy recounts forgetting he was in a sketch while chatting with Seinfeld, and nearly missing his cue for a courtroom sketch.
I forgot I was in a sketch.
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Seth's mustache mishap
49:25Seth recalls walking off stage with his mustache, ripping it off backstage, and being told he had another line.
And I walked off after what I thought was my last line.
People and sketches mentioned (14)
Fred Armisen Bill Hader Will Forte Mike Schwartz Martin Short Prince Jerry Seinfeld John Slattery Lorne Michaels Mike Shoemaker
Lazy Sunday Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans Bank Loan Brian Williams 3000 State of the Galaxy
Source: whisperx+speakers transcript, read by anthropic/claude-haiku-5.5 on 2026-10-19; audio timestamps mapped to the YouTube cut by word alignment. Timestamps shown are YouTube time. Report a bad pop-up.