Episodes › Ep. 119 2026-07-08 · 30:08
Popstar 10th Anniversary Q&A
A live Q&A recorded after the April 17, 2026 American Cinematheque 10th-anniversary screening of Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping at the Egyptian Theatre, moderated by Daniel Scheinert of the Daniels, with Akiva Schaffer as the sole Lonely Island guest. Akiva discusses the 27-day shoot, the Forum and Long Beach Arena locations, cut songs like "Fuck Off" and "Should I Move?" (with Akon), talking heads that couldn't be used, and the Taylor Swift joke that bombed in test screenings until it worked. Topics also include the paid-for penis reshoot, the limo scene reshoot after the production was shut down, the test-screening-driven shape of the movie, the directing-duo DGA issue, and tips on maintaining objectivity in editing. Fans will remember the evolution of the Taylor Swift joke and the guilt over guest cameos cut for money and rights issues. The memorable takeaway is that the crazier the movie got in test screenings, the more audiences liked it, which gave the team courage to go wild.
Shorts discussed: Sergio, Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping
Guests: Akiva Schaffer (Solo guest of the live Q&A, the only Lonely Island member…), Daniel Scheinert (Moderator of the Q&A, co-director of the Daniels, a fan of…), Daniel Scheinert (Filmmaker (the Daniels) moderating the live Q&A and asking…)
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The first 30 minutes' high energy
3:34Akiva's honest take is that the movie's opening half-hour is extremely dense and high-energy, something the genre can't sustain for the full runtime. He compares it to the best mockumentaries, which all shift pace eventually.
The first half, I'll give you my honest take, was that the first 30 minutes I was like, whoa, we really brought this together.
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Montages are the hardest part of shooting
5:05Akiva explains that montages are costly to shoot because each setup is a separate beat, and the film's constant montage style made the schedule very inefficient. The movie ended up needing 27 days to shoot.
whenever you write a montage in something you're going to shoot, it's the worst part of shooting
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27 days, 90 to 130 costume changes
5:41The film was shot in 27 days, and the costume department had to handle far more changes than a typical movie, roughly 90 to 130, because each day required a new look for Andy.
this was like, I forget if it was 90 or 130. Yeah. Because it was just for Andy.
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Half the shoot at the Forum
5:58The production rented the Forum for 11 days, about half the shooting schedule, because it had just been renovated and wasn't booked yet. They used nooks, alleys, and dressing rooms to decorate it as concert spaces.
They had just renovated the forum. And so it wasn't booked all the time yet. And we got it for 11 days.
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The Taylor Swift joke's test-screening journey
7:26The Taylor Swift joke was not in the script and was added in ADR over Andy's face with Sarah's voice. It failed in every test screening, with different jokes tried each time, until a final version landed and stuck.
it was a dud in every test screening, not that joke, a different joke every time. And it's a real lesson about, like, never giving up
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'She Committed Murder' as the final Taylor joke
7:46After many attempts, the team's last Taylor Swift line was 'She Committed Murder,' which wasn't even about Taylor originally. It was one of the better jokes, and it became part of the film.
How about She Committed Murder? It wasn't even about Taylor before.
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Songs performed on stage before the movie
8:24Many songs in the film were recorded in live performances before the shoot. 'Mona Lisa' was performed in full on stage and is available online, and 'Fuck Off' was filmed as a complete concert performance.
when we were on the stage, we did, you know, and they're on the DVD or on the internet, some of them
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'Fuck Off' cut from the film
8:44The kids' song 'Fuck Off' was filmed for Popstar but never made the final cut. Akiva says he now prefers it over the reggae song used during the closing credits, and a full concert performance exists online.
There's a song for kids called Fuck Off. It's so dark.
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Akon's cut 'Should I Move?' chorus
10:03Akon sang the chorus of 'Should I Move?', a song about Andy contemplating moving houses, and appears briefly in the opening credits. Akiva admits he feels guilty that guests like Akon were used so little.
we got Akon to sing on the chorus and then Akon comes in, he's only in the opening credits for a second.
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Unused Ed Sheeran and Norah Jones talking heads
10:29Talking-head interviews with Ed Sheeran and Norah Jones were recorded but could not be used. Universal's lawyers blocked them due to work permit and paperwork issues, a problem Akiva describes as inside baseball.
We also recorded a talking head with Ed Sheeran and we recorded a talking head with Nora Jones and those just straight up.
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Andy's martini question
12:33Andy sent in a question asking whether Akiva would go back to martinis with olives after switching to a twist. Akiva says he sometimes does but mainly sticks with the twist, which he finds cleaner with good gin or vodka.
Sometimes I do go back. You go back. I even now sometimes do, but I'm mainly on the twist.
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Upcoming projects: Andy and Jorma
12:56Akiva notes that Andy is shooting an action two-hander comedy with Jason Momoa, and Jorma has a new movie, Over Your Dead Body, produced by Judd Apatow, starring Jason Segel.
Andy is shooting a movie, and it's nowhere near here. I don't want to blow up his spot, but with Jason Momoa
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The Sergio dispute continues
14:41Scheinert asks Akiva to admit he was wrong about the Sergio digital short, which he didn't direct over issues with crossing the line. Akiva responds that there is no line in Popstar, which he proposes as the answer.
I was instructed to watch the movie and look for crossing the line. And I feel like there's no line in this movie.
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The limo scene nobody planned
17:03The reshoot's limo confrontation was built around a cheap location because the team had lost its arena. Judd Apatow suggested the central relationship needed to be dealt with on screen.
we could do it a limo and like 20 extras and just crowd around it
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Crazier cut, happier crowd
17:17Test screenings revealed the audience liked the movie more the crazier it got. That feedback gave the team confidence to push the weirdest material further than the original script dared.
the crazier the movie got, the more the audience liked it
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The paid reshoot that needed a penis
17:41Akiva explains the reshoot was needed to fill a dip in the middle of the film after the money ran low. Akiva and Jorma chipped in their own money to pay for it, which is what made the penis scene possible.
One detail here is not in the transcript.
we paid for it
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Casting nudity via email
18:06Akiva describes how casting emails for the reshoot became awkward once auditioners sent in headshots. The joke was framed as the dick simply being a dick, not about its size.
a scary place. Because people audition.
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Co-directing since before SNL
19:23Akiva describes the team's habit of making things together without credit splits, a habit carried from pre-SNL shorts through SNL and into Popstar. That shared approach is why the DGA approved them as a directing team.
Before SNL, where you don't say what anybody's doing, you're just making something.
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Why the DGA approved the team
19:52The Directors Guild approved the three of them as a directing team because they had worked together constantly. Akiva notes the guild would not accept random people calling themselves a team.
we got the DGA
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Daniel's solo-directing DGA trouble
20:18Daniel Scheinert recounts getting in trouble with the DGA for a solo film and having to beg filmmakers to let him co-direct with his partner again, and says Seth Rogen helped.
I did a solo movie and got in a whole bunch of trouble.
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Three cameras and a documentary's worth of footage
22:03Shooting in doc style with three cameras meant a huge amount of talking-head footage, with interviews like Nas and Ringo running around 45 minutes each. Editing had to find the shape of the film from it.
we would talk for 45 minutes, and Ringo, 45 minutes.
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The too-long test screening
23:00The early cut was far longer than the usual 85-minute limit for movies like this, and the team had not found the movie's shape yet. Akiva says they fought that particular screening for this reason.
These kind of movies have to be 85 minutes at the most.
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Asking Judd to shut us down
23:37Akiva asked Judd Apatow to halt the production so the team could reshape the first act. They stopped work for two months and wrote several versions of the opening before settling on the final one.
shut us down
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The first act that began as a puff piece
24:49An earlier cut opened as a straight promotional documentary about Connor, with the other two hosts missing, and only later introduced the group's past. Drew Goddard pointed out the film was about all three of them and should say so upfront.
the main difference in the beginning was that it started like it was just a straight puff piece doc on Connor
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Paul McCartney's stock footage endorsement
26:28The Paul McCartney footage in the film was cleared by the people around him, who saw the context and approved its use. Both surviving Beatles appear in the movie, which the Q&A treats as a big endorsement.
So on the plus side, all of them or somebody in their world saw the context and went, yeah, you can use that
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Watching it with people beats any note
27:32Akiva's advice for staying objective under deadline is to watch the film with people, because you feel embarrassment and pride in your body, which shows you the cut through fresh eyes.
you feel in your body when you're uncomfortable and embarrassed and feel shitty.
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SNL edits pulled in from the hall
28:34During SNL's Saturday edits, the team would grab interns or cast members from the hall to watch a half-finished cut and ask whether it was working.
we'd be pulling in interns or other cast members or whatever
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Why SNL avoided losing objectivity
28:47The speed of SNL production meant the team shot a sketch one day and edited it the next, so they rarely became too familiar with a cut to lose objectivity.
you don't really become too lost in it
People and sketches mentioned (22)
Daniel Scheinert Sophie Sarah Jason Segel Judd Apatow Jason Momoa Ed Sheeran Nora Jones Akon Taylor Swift Connor Judd Apatow Drew Goddard Nas Ringo Paul McCartney Seth Rogen Yorma Connor Andy
Sergio Everything Everywhere All at Once
Source: whisperx-v2+speakers transcript, read by anthropic/claude-haiku-5.5 on 2026-10-21; audio timestamps mapped to the YouTube cut by word alignment. Timestamps shown are YouTube time. Report a bad pop-up.